I think a New game + category could be quite interesting! GET TO ROUTING PEOPLE ( I can't route for shit! )

@KZ_FREW I remember S showing this off and I always think about doing it when I see a car come. My brain prefers the strategy of complaining about the car than actively trying to avoid it with pause buffering though! :D Damn brain!

We can call it "What everyone THOUGHT you had to do to finish the game%"

If people are looking at a category which helps them practice 100% but isn't 100% length then I did think of one. I'd call it all assets. Basically finish the game while owning all the buildings which earn you revenue. twitchbuxs hype!

If it is only races, nrg and bmx then a little over an hour added. So say your average person run would be around 7:35-40

That was in response to mmhd suggestion of keeping asm how it is and changing the name to all missions.

Another definition of all missions could be to complete anything with a red starting mission marker. Valet hype!

That rewording of the rules would be "complete all missions which have a permanent marker on the map when CJ isn't close" or something worded in better English.

Wouldn't need to include the "excludes this and that and this" with that definition.

I feel the "change save file name" for all missions isn't a good indicator for it.

I personally think all of quarry should be part of this named category. With how the rules are written also this would mean no instapassing to gaining the asset.

I'm sure others have different opinions of what is and isn't a mission also.

Discussions of what all missions should be and what I currently run can be debated in another thread. In that thread we can get back to all the crazy personal attacks that people repeatedly do.

I first began running asm as a means to practice 100% missions in a serious run environment. It also helps you gain some gaming stamina for the leap to 100%.

I personally don't have any strong feelings one way or another on if asm stays. If it does leave I'll probably go back to doing gang territory skip instead of competing with caz time on the leaderboards.

One thing I don't like about this though is it feels like mmhd lost the arguement and is looking at a way to still come out as if he won something. I say let the mods do q public vote on this matter and be done with it.

I still don't agree with the naming nor the rules of ASM. The run itself is fun to do but with how the rules state now I personally don't mind what happens to that category. It is one of those runs where I only compete with myself and just used the board as a guideline for goals.

Anything over on the meme boards should be transferred over if a new board is added here. Anything current on the any% board should need to be resubmitted to the new board if they meet the requirements.

I can see the argument for a name change on Any% Dupeless being valid, especially if we want to keep it without any form of future instapasses. Now what could that name be? Any% glitchless? Any% restricted? Any% no om0 manipulation? Either way though no matter what the name on the leaderboard is called i'd still call it NO dupes in my stream title.

Also on popularity, To me if just 1 person is running the category actively the category is then active but I am sure we all have our own definition of what is and isn't classed as active.

Also on mod notes. I used to be a mod here and would occasionally help with the verifying of runs and discuss crap on the forums.However I was removed without as much of a "Hey Tirean, we are tidying up the mods and trying to have fewer people (we had quite a bit) do you mind if we remove you as you don't verify as much runs as the other?" Yes, I am still a little bitter about that.

I wasn't going to care/fight for this until I saw this thread https://www.speedrun.com/gtamemes/thread/ecs2r and this quote by English_ben "The only reason any% no SSU exists in VC is because regular any% is awful."

Now let me show you my argument for having at least GTA:SA No dupes be on the main page.

So arguments against the run are as follows:

1. No active runners - I can see 5 runs submitted in the last 3 months to the Meme leaderboards (which I didn't even know existed until a couple of days ago, wonder how many other people are like that?) To me that sounds like a pretty healthy speedrun category to me, was even a new WR 10 days ago.

2. Run isn't different enough to no dupes to be classed as its own run. Oh I agree with this, until the start of 555 and then things begin to change drastically during the run. The only real similarity is that you still have to visit the same cities. I would say the run is completely different from one another. The main reason I say this is because during a standard any% once the duping began I have to spend the ENTIRE run explaining to viewers what the hell is going on, this may be much better now a days as people have gotten more used to it, but trust me the run is extremely different. IF you say they aren't you may as well say a game like Portal No OoB is similar to Portal Any% because you know, you do some of the same puzzles.

3. Only the fastest run is valid for Any%. OK no argument for this one, any% should always be the fastest however not everyone runs the fastest category for games, hell not everyone even runs on the fastest hardware for other games, does that make the runs they do invalid and absolutely stupid? I don't think so. That hardware they are using and that category they are running still have a route and an optimal time and make it just as valid as any category you run. Remember this is about having fun.

4. Would make the leaderboards look unattractive, unappealing and messy. Yeah this one is dumb, why can't it just look like this? https://www.speedrun.com/sm64#120_Star . Really messy right?

So what do you think? Can we just do the civil thing on this and save us 2 weeks of back and forth where you will eventually decide to do exactly what I am asking? Thanks!

Thanks @blacklev didn't know it was there.

Anyone arguing against any% no dupes appearing on main leaderboard also needs to go look at vice city leaderboard.

I don't care either way btw. Just wanted to know where the boards were. Very surprised no sub5 yet.

Hey,

Was expecting this to be a category or at least a subcategory underneath any%. Was curious to see what the current fastest non dupe time was and boom, non existent.

Do we have a reason for this category not being on the leaderboards?

Yes I know you can still run categories without the game being on the leaderboard. Yes I know it is extra modding, however this is a legitimate category honestly, more so than ASM for sure.

Why are stunt jumps in this category? They don't give you a %?

Shame the guy is going to have this crowd around him for a long time, i'm just glad my "this run could probably be close to 6 hours" is pretty accurate. :D Bring back 2013/14 sub 6 hype!

Hey.

Are all the same glitches still present from Vanilla to Definitive? May be picking up the game again and wondering what the actual differences are.

Leaderboards we should have.

New game Any%: New game expert Any% New game + New game + expert 100% 100% expert